Free pass in tech

[waterloo]

Seems like if we go through tech and fail it is OK.Does everyone get 1 free pass or 2.How blatant do we have to be?My son and I bust our butts to get the car done and be legal.Wonder how far we would have to go.If I put in a 5 litre will I get busted for having dual exhaust.Your thoughts?

[stock4fan]

Clark, Free pass;
This is the truth, At the November meeting Ray Flynn says street stock full trunk lids. This coming from the guy who gets caught for a 2800 stall convertor and told no problem change it next week! Full money full points for the night. We have to change our trunk lid after we ask race director Steve if we take the old part or bottom part of lid and rivit it in place makes a whole trunk lid. Good to go says Steve! Send car for paint sponsor paints it. How stupid does the track look through the eyes of sponsor ,when I explain we have to paint it again and buy a trunk lid! So long winded no surprise here.

[Haunted326]

hmm having some tech pains are we guys/gals? oh please do do share :D

an clark i dont think they would notice if you kept it single exhaust :p

as for one guy saying YES its ok to run something an then tech says NO then being the fact that Steve is the one giving the OK for something it should be brought to the techs attention what IS aloud and what is NOT aloud.

[Fan of PPR]

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What a shame that everyone’s hard work is wasted due to some over zealous doctors’ attempts at vasectomies where that little snip turned out to be a big chop. I can visualize it now:
Doctor: “Oops”
Nurse: “What just hit the floor?”
Doctor: “Sounds like someone’s gonads.”
Nurse: “Look on the bright side. Varney needs someone for tech”

So far this year we have seen some excellent examples of cars being inspected to be sure they are properly following the rules. It is just a waste of time as cars are found illegal and no penalties are assessed. Imagine the fear that would be instilled in the cheaters if the rules were enforced after these much better inspections. You have to imagine it, as your imagination is the only place this is happening. It is like a radar trap where you are pulled over for speeding and instead of a ticket the cop gives you a bite of his donut.
It is just disgusting how the honest drivers are treated. The tech process is cheating those drivers worse than the offending drivers are cheating. Tech is where the track has the opportunity and duty to enforce the rules and appears to have chosen not to. Is the track management aware that the racing is their product and the employees are damaging that product by not ensuring it is the best product possible? Your local grocer would not put up with his staff throwing the eggs on the floor, squishing the bread or displaying ice cream next to the ovens in the bakery.
It isn't any fun on the other side of the fence either. How disappointing it is to watch races and know they are not fair. I just felt like going home after the Stock 4 feature and not returning any time soon. People pay hard earned money to race and they are being robbed of the satisfaction of doing well, the cost of racing they incur, the prize money they rightfully deserve and the joy of victory. People pay hard earned money to watch races and they are getting ripped off by not seeing an honest race. Are we participating in and watching Saturday night racing or a new version of the fake Saturday afternoon wrestling from the 60's and 70's?
On another note that I hope does not cause an uproar. While it is ultimately the driver's responsibility to be sure he or she is driving a car that meets the rules I feel it is important that one of the drivers in question this time knows that the majority of the anger is directed at the track for not enforcing the rules since May of last year. So far this year we have had a minimum of three Stock 4 cars failing tech with no repercussions. Some of this has been blatant cheating and some has probably been from a lack of knowledge or proper care in reading the rules. Regardless of which, the rules are very clear and the penalty needs to be enforced. It doesn’t matter if you intentionally run a red light or it is an honest mistake. You will be charged for running a red light.
Whether the third occurrence of a car failing tech, which is the straw that broke the camel's back, was caused intentionally, by accident or through negligence, I feel it is important that our frustration with the track and the crew of that car is not taken out or directed at this driver. Yes, this driver is the one responsible for the car meeting the rules but trusted that a legal car was provided by the crew. We all know that in this case the infraction is a combination of what was done by the previous owner of the car and what was not done by the people working on the car now. Unfortunately hurtful rumours have already started that the rest of the drivers are ganging up on this driver and that is not true. This driver is doing very well for a second year driver and respects all fellow competitors. Positive comments have been made about this well liked and respected driver and I hope no one makes any personal attacks.
Hopefully the track will react to the high level of anger, mistrust and disgust caused by the lack of fairness in enforcing the rules. This should also be a wake-up call to the people working on cars that are not meeting the rules that the time should be taken to double check their cars. After the uproar this has caused there will be a real loss of respect for any driver that is cheating regardless of whom committed the offence and whether or not they are even caught. If someone is working on a car for a son, daughter or wife, I sure hope they are not going to put their loved one in a car where he or she will have to face the embarrassment of being caught cheating.

[ministock19]

Sorry to be the voice of dissent,but since the "TRACK" has decided that enforcing tech is not a requirement,then I see no reason why I should ensure that my car is tech legal.
The "TRACK" has already this year provided 3 free passes for tech infractions for three separate cars.I strongly feel that each and every team participating should be given a grace of one tech failure.The precedent has already been set.Why should the non-offending teams now be penalized??

On a personal note,I dont give a crap if someone is running legal or not,it makes absolutley no difference to me.It is not my job to enforce the rules,I am just there to beat the crap outta my racecar and have some fun doing it.
If I can outrun the cheaters,well so much the better.If I cant outrun them,then I will let them go and not give them the satisfaction of having some good hard door handle to door handle racing.If you want proof,watch the video of last sundays feature,maybe you will understand what I am talking about. :p

[Fan of PPR]

My comments about the future were based on the ridiculous assumption that tech will now be enforced and non-conforming cars would be disqualified.
I agree that the track does owe something to all the drivers that have suffered due to illegal cars being allowed to bypass the penalty part of tech inspection.
I guess racing at Varney is like a girl with implants.
Looks good - but fake! :mad:

[llm_racing]

i can understand everyone being mad and upset at the tech at varney but the way i see it nothing has ever happened to these cars and probably never will, but if it does get changed plain and simple it should be if your caught cheating your dq no questions asked we're in the third week of racing now if your car isnt right to bad for you dq

[Fan of PPR]

Are loose fuel pumps allowed? :D

Just kidding. Is all okay with the 00?

[llm_racing]

no 00 it burnt and beaten but should return for saturday

[ministock19]

So if you win a late model feature,but your car is 1/16" too low,maybe due to a left rear tire leaking down a bit,then a full out D.Q. is warranted,as well as being labelled a "cheater"?

But yet a 4 cylinder car can have an illegal hood,illegal springs,illegal tires,illegal hub spacers and not be D.q`d and not labelled a cheater?

Methinks someone(steve) has sum `splainin to do! :eek: :confused:

[llm_racing]

thats were they cahnge the rules tho bec in our class as long as the tech ppl see the leak were aloud to change that tire then get retech

[Haunted326]

well this is really interesting please do continue :D

Since im not likely to run this year shall i tech for you guys? and actually ENFORCE it?

as long as the tech ppl see the leak were aloud to change that tire then get retech

See i was under the understanding that as you roll OFF the track say in 1st , 2nd or 3rd an get to tech your teched AS IS. last year i watched a guy come in 2nd in a SS feature an then get DQ'd because of a flat tire hindering his ride height. SO if your now aloud to change that " flat " an get a re-tech and pass the 2nd time why have any tech for stk 4 at all? its turning into a "RUNG what ya BRUNG" race and that leaves the doors WIDE open for all kinds of grief.

[ministock19]

No Adam,because at this point,I personally dont want to have tech.Since there has already been free passes given out,lets continue along that road and give everyone free passes from tech.Comprende?

[Haunted326]

i hope this gets sorted out soon :(

[backflipping hillbilly]

I think what I am reading here is anger giving way to "what is the use, things never change"
If one or two of you questions what is going on, you are "whiners and complainers" (or so we were told by our all time favourite cheater last year). What if the entire class, or at least those who feel strongly in their sence of fairness, were to call a meeting with track officials and express as a group your concerns. There is a drivers meeting every week SPEAK UP AND SHAKE IT UP!
I know I have a big mouth (this was also brought to my attention last year by our all time favourite cheater) but I am not a driver and ultimately have no right to speak, i am just a very frustrated fan, mother, sponsor, track supporter bla bla bla.
We have a number of very new, very young drivers this year. The way things are right now, what are they learning about fairness ,honesty or consequences ... SFA.

The way I see it, there are two ways to go
1- go back, take away points and payout for those who have been caught illegal, and move forward on that note.
2- hand out "get out of tech free" cards for each and every driver who has not yet been caught. This card to be used whenever needed (one time only). Trick your cars out, give it your best shot and may the best man (woman) win!

[stock4fan]

This whole tech thing is just another of the blunders that can happen! {my opinion only}.
On a positive let's not forget the good stuff that has happened. Hillbilly racing getting a life, Special Olympics Shack getting a life, the sales of hats to the entire racing roster all classes. etc. We all can dump on the tech, get as pissed at the track as we choose but over all it is us the racers, car owners, and families that come every week. I am sure a simple check list made up by the racers and agreed upon by the track, done each week at tech and when the car passes tech each week ,you sign that is also your sign in as a driver. No more yelling any more drivers not signed in, NO TECH DONE BEFORE YOU GO ON TRACK FOR WARM UPS ,NO RACING THAT NIGHT!

[Haunted326]

That list idea sounds like a good start. something that should take no longer than 1-2 minutes to walk through.

Required Driver safety gear YES / NO
Tires of minimum spec. YES / NO NO? Specify _______________
Ride height ____ "
Vacuum ____ Lbs. Class MIN Spec. _____Lbs.

ITEMS TO ADDRESS:___________________________________________
____________________________________________________________

Driver Print:__________________ Driver Sig:_____________________
Car # _________

TECH PASS / FAIL


Would something like this work?

[Fan of PPR]

Here is something interesting. Below are three charts showing the points. The first is what the web site shows the points are. The second is what the actual points are. It is probably an honest mistake as the points from the invitational are missing. The third shows what the points would be if each car that failed tech had been penalized according to the rules. Cars that failed tech after the feature have had their points deducted for the entire night. Cars that failed tech after a heat have had their points deducted for the heat only but also the feature if the infraction was something that obviously could not have been corrected before the feature.

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[ministock19]

who is Lance Tremble? :eek:

[Haunted326]

where is # 19? :confused: not running this year dennis?
:(

[Fan of PPR]

Lance Hotchkiss aka Lance Tremble aka Sonny Drysdale aka "our all time favourite cheater last year".

[Fan of PPR]

Please take the following in the spirit it is meant. I know emotions are high and fuses are short. I hope this helps ease the tension.

I received an email today from the driver of one of the cars that recently received a "free pass" in tech. It was a reply to an email that I sent regarding the situation on Saturday. In response to my questions, this driver has indicated that they are gradually figuring the car out. (The car was recently purchased from a former driver.) The current driver of this car wants to play fair, have fun and also be fun to race with. He or she has asked that if anyone knows of, or has heard of anything with the car that is not legal they would really appreciate being asked about it so they can look for and correct the issue. He or she wants to play by the rules.
This driver really enjoys racing in the four cylinders and really likes the group. It is also important to this driver to remain friends and to be able to talk to each other.

I realize some people will have angry responses to this request but it really is a case where this driver wants to play fair. It is not just lip service. I know there will be responses about the rules being there and to just read them. I also expect responses about how it is their job and no one elses to be sure their car is legal. All of that is correct. BUT here is a driver asking to be confronted about any suspicions regarding the legality of this car. Would the former owner of this car do that?

[ministock19]

The #19 "HOPES" to be out around the end of june.

John,as I posted earlier,I have no problems with any driver,legal or not.I have enough problems trying to get my own cars to the track that I cant even begin to advise anyone on what is or isnt legal on their own car.That is why there is a rule book and why we had the winter drivers meetings.My best suggestion at this point would be for that car to go thru an extensive tech inspection by the tech inspectors and abide by any of there recomendations.Actually this would apply to anyone who has questions about there car as this is why we have tech inspectors.
I honestly dont feel there is any animosity over this past saturday,the driver in question is genuinly liked and respected by her competitors.She was going to, and will continue, to win races because she is a good driver who is improving every week in a fast car.In my opinion the results this past saturday would have been the same regardless of the tech mixup.

I am done with this topic for now,I think it is best for the track to figure out how to fix the mess that they created.Having said that ,who wants to bet me that the #9 or #19 will get d.q.ed at some point this season?

[Fan of PPR]

They are not looking for advice but just to be told if you know of something from the past that they may have missed.

My guess is that the 9X or the 19 will get a D.Q. (and that doesn't mean Dairy Queen) because of the loose nut behind the steering wheel! :D

I also predict that the 12 will get the first black flag of the season. It will be for going too fast for anyone to see the hood! :eek:

[llm_racing]

there will be no balck flags to the 12 this year and if there is and they're for very stupid reasons like last year there will be 2 very pissed off people and one flag guy.we wont but up with black flags to the 12 unless he deserved it

[backflipping hillbilly]

It does seem that everyone in S4 lost 50 points (loss of points from last sunday) I have a note in to head starter to rectify. NMF ok, as soon as the points are corrected, I can redo them.
Billy are you going to be getting ANOTHER motor? Sorry you are off to such a rough start, Same goes for you Jacob. BTW LLM you actually have to make it onto the track to get a black flag. :)

[Fan of PPR]

NMF - No more fun? :mad:
BTW LLM - Billy The Weasel Loses Lotsa Motors? :D

If the 12 gets any unwarranted black flags I want to see you turn it into a brown flag! OUCH! :eek:

[ministock19]

nmf= not my fault

get with the times,old man :p

[llm_racing]

that was a low blow there jayne! he be back saturday

[stock4fan]

S4 12 racing is off to a rough start, that is a under statement!! Best of luck on Saturday Jacob, my thoughts black flag for looking GOOD off the

[stock4fan]

Left the ending of the previous thread empty on purpose because Saturday will finish filling in the thread. ;)

[backflipping hillbilly]

LLM so sorry, that really was a low blow! Sometimes ya just gotta get em in where you can!
Weather not looking too good for tomorrow, keep us up to date on here what is happening weatherwise in Varney.

[ministock19]

The #19 "HOPES" to be out around the end of june.



I am done with this topic for now,I think it is best for the track to figure out how to fix the mess that they created.Having said that ,who wants to bet me that the #9 or #19 will get d.q.ed at some point this season?


Looks like I was right,just took a while,lol :eek:

[Fan of PPR]

I can't believe you remembered about this thread from 1 year, 2 months, 29 days ago! :eek:
Boy, some people will do anything to say "I told you so"!

[backflipping hillbilly]

Seems like if we go through tech and fail it is OK.Does everyone get 1 free pass or 2.How blatant do we have to be?

Guess your question got answered too Clark! Obviously the free pass is very selectively given.